<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748</id><updated>2009-11-10T19:57:09.856-08:00</updated><title type='text'>That Lutheran Guy</title><subtitle type='html'>Confessional, Conservative &amp; Evangelical - Grace Alone, Faith Alone, Word Alone, Christ Alone!</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>19</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-7349412029125824802</id><published>2009-10-06T16:46:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-06T17:11:06.390-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Sometimes You Can Be Too Conservative!</title><content type='html'>Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a group of people at the web site called '&lt;a href="http://conservapedia.com/"&gt;Conservapedia&lt;/a&gt;' that decided the &lt;a href="http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project"&gt;Bible is too liberal&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Huh?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I like what &lt;a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/"&gt;Beliefnet&lt;/a&gt; columnist &lt;a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2009/10/conservatizing-the-bible.html"&gt;Rod Dreher&lt;/a&gt; said,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"You really need to read &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-style: italic;" href="http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project"&gt;the whole Conservapedia entry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; to grasp how crazy this is. It's like what you'd get if you crossed the Jesus Seminar with the College Republican chapter at a rural institution of Bible learnin'."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;These conservatives so-called should take heed to Moses:&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Deuteronomy 4:2  Ye shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;God Bless,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-7349412029125824802?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/7349412029125824802/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=7349412029125824802' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/7349412029125824802'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/7349412029125824802'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2009/10/sometimes-you-can-be-too-conservative.html' title='Sometimes You Can Be Too Conservative!'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-6944673108809574230</id><published>2009-07-03T18:49:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-03T19:43:18.269-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Revelations Commentary Reading Update</title><content type='html'>&lt;img alt="http://www.taschen.com/media/images/320/default_luther_bible_exc_07_0706141538_id_45087.jpg" src="http://www.taschen.com/media/images/320/default_luther_bible_exc_07_0706141538_id_45087.jpg" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Revelation, fol. CXCVIIIr: The angel with the key to the&lt;br /&gt;bottomless pit, binding the dragon for a thousand years&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: georgia;" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%201:3;&amp;amp;version=9;"&gt;Blessings to you gentle readers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify; font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;As some of you know, &lt;a href="http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/08/revelation-commentary-reading-update.html"&gt;I have been reading several Revelations commentaries&lt;/a&gt;, mostly by &lt;a href="http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/07/reading-through-revelation-lutheran-way.html"&gt;Lutheran commentators&lt;/a&gt; but one was a &lt;a href="http://www.ivpress.com/accs/"&gt;patristic commentary&lt;/a&gt; with commentary and sermons culled from the early &lt;a href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/index.html"&gt;Christian Fathers&lt;/a&gt;. I recently finished these volumes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: justify; font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cph.org/cphstore/product.asp?category=&amp;amp;part%5Fno=122630&amp;amp;find%5Fcategory=&amp;amp;find%5Fdescription=&amp;amp;find%5Fpart%5Fdesc=revelation"&gt;The Revelation To John: A Commentary by Martin H. Franzmann&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: justify; font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Testatment-Christian-Commentary-Scripture/dp/0830814973/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1217520908&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Revelation: New Testament Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture edited by William C. Weinrich&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: justify; font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/interpretation-St-Johns-Revelation/dp/B0007ERNG8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1217521835&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;The interpretation of St. John's Revelation  by R. C. H. Lenski&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify; font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;I'm just starting a &lt;a href="http://www.cph.org/cphstore/product.asp?category=80145&amp;amp;part_no=156031&amp;amp;find_category=80145&amp;amp;find_description=Concordia+Commentary&amp;amp;find_part_desc="&gt;Revelation commentary by Rev. Louis Brighton&lt;/a&gt; - which is a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;magnum opus&lt;/span&gt; in my opinion (and I've just finished the intro!) weighing in at 673 pages and 10 x 7.5 x 2 inches in size its a whopper! No matter where you go it seems to run for about $42.99 new and not much less used. I would say it is suitable for the studious layman, pastor, theology student, etc. I would recommend &lt;a href="http://www.cph.org/cphstore/product.asp?category=&amp;amp;part_no=122630&amp;amp;find_category=&amp;amp;find_description=&amp;amp;find_part_desc=revelation+franzmann"&gt;Franzmann&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.nph.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?10418&amp;amp;productID=150670"&gt;Mueller&lt;/a&gt; as more suitable volumes for the entry level. I personally feel &lt;a href="http://www.nph.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?10418&amp;amp;productID=150670"&gt;Mueller's Revelation commentary&lt;/a&gt; is better, it's more thorough without being technical or jargonish. Franzmann's Revelation commentary is no where near as good as &lt;a href="http://www.cph.org/cphstore/sendemail.asp?part_no=123036"&gt;his classic treatment of Romans&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have also downloaded a &lt;a href="http://www.confessionallutherans.org/papers/revtoc.html"&gt;Revelations Bible Study by Rev. Paul Bartz&lt;/a&gt; from the &lt;a href="http://www.confessionallutherans.org/"&gt;Confessional Lutherans&lt;/a&gt; website. I have yet to read it though. When I do, I'll comment on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have also learned of a Revelations Commentary that is over 800 pages for only $10:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="mailto:paswhite@osl.cc"&gt;Revelation - Scripture’s Crescendo and Culmination, (839 pages), by Laurence White - $10.00 &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have yet to read that one either, but it sounds intriguing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TTFN,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-6944673108809574230?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/6944673108809574230/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=6944673108809574230' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/6944673108809574230'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/6944673108809574230'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2009/07/revelations-commentary-reading-update.html' title='Revelations Commentary Reading Update'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-7666800242702379395</id><published>2009-04-21T15:06:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-21T15:14:47.133-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Religious Liberty Update</title><content type='html'>Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As I understand this bill from my sources, mere participation in the aforementioned 'volunteer' program would then prohibit a young person from participating in a lot of other outside programs including Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I must apologize, I am way behind the curve on this one. The bill became law just today, it is called the '&lt;a href="http://news.google.com/news?q=Serve+America+Act&amp;amp;oe=utf-8&amp;amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;amp;client=firefox-a&amp;amp;um=1&amp;amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=J0TuSdntIZaYMrLitegP&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=news_group&amp;amp;resnum=1&amp;amp;ct=title"&gt;Serve America Act&lt;/a&gt;' now, previously called &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education&lt;/span&gt;. It is an expansion of the Americorps ( &lt;a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.americorps.gov/"&gt;www.americorps.gov&lt;/a&gt; ) program where college money from the government is exchanged for government service. The person who alerted me to all this was a bit johnny-come-lately on this and so I am too. The Senate version (S 277) already passed and today Obama signed it into law. Section 132A of the new law forbids funds going to any entity that is:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of proselytization, consistent with section 132. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the above paragraph is already law and I bet many or all of us did not know until today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A companion bill (not yet passed into law) HR 1444 would make this 'volunteer' service mandatory. So the bill is law and we are too late to stop that but we can attempt to stop HR 1444 and whatever it's Senate version maybe:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1444"&gt;http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1444&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Remember, when government expands, liberty contracts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-7666800242702379395?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/7666800242702379395/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=7666800242702379395' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/7666800242702379395'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/7666800242702379395'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2009/04/religious-liberty-update.html' title='Religious Liberty Update'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-1381476159965216030</id><published>2009-04-21T07:39:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-21T07:42:00.379-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Church Attendance, Confirmation, Sunday School - Against The Law</title><content type='html'>Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I couldn't believe this until I checked it out for myself. I found the bill on Govtrack, the House passed it, the Senate has yet to vote.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;HR 1388: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (AKA The &lt;a href="http://www.thevoicemagazine.com/politics/512-obama-youth-brigade-church-attendance-forbidden.html"&gt;Obama Youth Brigade&lt;/a&gt; Bill)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Click on this link:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388"&gt;http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;then scroll down to sec 1310 in the yelow and click on it, it reads,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 0em;" class="quote"&gt;‘SEC. 132A. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:923" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 3em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(a) Prohibited Activities- An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:924" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(1) Attempting to influence legislation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:925" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(2) &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:926" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(3) Assisting, promoting, or deterring union organizing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:927" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(4) Impairing existing contracts for services or collective bargaining agreements.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:928" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(5) Engaging in partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to Federal office or the outcome of an election to a State or local public office.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:929" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em; font-weight: bold;" class="quote"&gt;‘(6) Participating in, or endorsing, events or activities that are likely to include advocacy for or against political parties, political platforms, political candidates, proposed legislation, or elected officials.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-weight: bold;" class="section" nid="t0:enr:930" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of proselytization, consistent with section 132.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:931" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(8) Consistent with section 132, providing a direct benefit to any--&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:932" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 9em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(A) business organized for profit;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:933" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 9em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(B) labor union;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:934" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 9em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(C) partisan political organization;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:935" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 9em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(D) nonprofit organization that fails to comply with the restrictions contained in section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, except that nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to prevent participants from engaging in advocacy activities undertaken at their own initiative; and&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:936" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 9em; font-weight: bold;" class="quote"&gt;‘(E) organization engaged in the religious activities described in paragraph (7), unless the position is not used to support those religious activities.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:937" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(9) Providing abortion services or referrals for receipt of such services.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:938" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(10) Conducting a voter registration drive or using Corporation funds to conduct a voter registration drive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:939" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 6em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(11) Carrying out such other activities as the Corporation may prohibit.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div class="section" nid="t0:enr:940" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 3em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(b) Ineligibility- No assistance provided under this subtitle may be provided to any organization that has violated a Federal criminal statute.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div class="section section_hover" nid="t0:enr:941" onmouseover="$.btns.section_over(event,this);" onmouseout="$.btns.section_out(event,this);"&gt;&lt;div class="chooser chooser_hover"&gt;&lt;span class="expanded" title="Collapse this section"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 3em;" class="quote"&gt;‘(c) Nondisplacement of Employed Workers or Other Volunteers- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not be directed to perform any services or duties, or to engage in any activities, prohibited under the nonduplication, nondisplacement, or nonsupplantation requirements relating to employees and volunteers in section 177.’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 3em;" class="quote"&gt;------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 3em;" class="quote"&gt;Time to burn up the phone lines and PASS THIS ON to everyone you can think of!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 3em;" class="quote"&gt; Herb Kohl&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://kohl.senate.gov/contact.cfm"&gt;http://kohl.senate.gov/contact.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://kohl.senate.gov/contact.cfm" name="textblocknohdr1757" id="textblocknohdr1757"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://kohl.senate.gov/contact.cfm" name="CP_JUMP_1757" id="CP_JUMP_1757"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Russ Feingold&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://feingold.senate.gov/contact_opinion.html"&gt;http://feingold.senate.gov/contact_opinion.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 3em;" class="quote"&gt;Outside of Wisconsin:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://senate.gov/"&gt;http://senate.gov/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 3em;" class="quote"&gt;You can search for your Senator by state in the upper right hand corner of the page.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 3em;" class="quote"&gt;In Christ,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim &lt;a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.facebook.com/people/James-M-McGarigle/1584862012"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-1381476159965216030?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/1381476159965216030/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=1381476159965216030' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/1381476159965216030'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/1381476159965216030'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2009/04/church-attendance-confirmation-sunday.html' title='Church Attendance, Confirmation, Sunday School - Against The Law'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-1803341713175351897</id><published>2009-04-18T23:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-18T23:42:37.629-07:00</updated><title type='text'>What Church Father Are You?</title><content type='html'>&lt;table border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="200"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;You’re St. Melito of Sardis!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;You have a great love of history and liturgy. You’re attached to the traditions of the ancients, yet you recognize that the old world — great as it was — is passing away. You are loyal to the customs of your family, though you do not hesitate to call family members to account for their sins.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/quiz/"&gt;Find out which Church Father you are at &lt;em&gt;The Way of the Fathers&lt;/em&gt;!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-1803341713175351897?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/1803341713175351897/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=1803341713175351897' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/1803341713175351897'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/1803341713175351897'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-church-father-are-you.html' title='What Church Father Are You?'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-2616464791811491160</id><published>2009-04-16T08:43:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-16T10:01:02.264-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Reading Luther's Sermons</title><content type='html'>Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;    I'm still slogging through 3 Revelation commentaries (I'm up to chap 19!) but since Lent began I have also been reading Luther's Sermons again. I have an eight volume set I bought back in 1988 that read all the way through once over a summer (I had a sedentary job as a security guard) and I began to read these in earnest again. I most recently read Luther's sermon for Easter on the Sacrament of Holy Communion. If Luther's Sermon is any measure of good practice - then I feel none of the Synods are following it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    Back in the day, people were compelled to make a confession to a priest and then take communion on Easter. Luther was opposed to the practice because these people were going right back to the sinful lives they led beforehand often with no effort to better themselves. Also Luther distinguishes between '&lt;a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2:19"&gt;historical faith&lt;/a&gt;' - head knowledge that Christ had indeed existed -vs- 'real faith' of the heart as well. Today some fellow Lutherans (who can be '&lt;a href="http://www.angelfire.com/wi/2brains/left.html"&gt;Left Brain&lt;/a&gt;' to a fault) would yell &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietism"&gt;PIETISM!&lt;/a&gt; But here they have to argue with Luther himself so I think that claim falls flat. I think Luther was worried about people living in open sin, habitually drunk, etc. Also Luther wanted people to have a faith that was bicameral - more in keeping with the Scriptures:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial;"&gt;Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. - Matthew 22:37, Mark 12:30 &amp;amp; Luke 10:27.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    Luther was also on guard against the 'herd mentality' which was to have everyone take communion. He wanted people to be asked one-by-one if they wanted it and not to rely on the faith or piety of family members but an &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;individual desire to receive it&lt;/span&gt;. I have not been asked that for years. Congregations I was a member of who were conscientious usually collected communion cards at the altar and elders were required to know who everyone was. Also even long time members were supposed to register for communion in a register prior to worship and that was as good as it ever got.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    So the WELS and ELS churches I once attended were holding fast to the &lt;a href="http://www.lcms.org/ca/www/cyclopedia/02/display.asp?t1=G&amp;amp;word=GALESBURGRULE"&gt;Galesburg Rule&lt;/a&gt; but not Luther's. Luther wanted to be sure the communicant actually desired forgiveness from Christ and was not just 'going up' as a matter of law, custom or peer pressure. I'm not going to go into my current LCMS congregation for now because I am not fully informed on it's practice but I will say they have no statement regarding participation in their bulletins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    The bottom line is we live in such a materialistic society these days that few approach the sacrament with the same fear, wonder and awe that Luther had in his day. Some might say that was because Luther was a victim of &lt;a href="http://catholicism.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&amp;amp;sdn=catholicism&amp;amp;cdn=religion&amp;amp;tm=16&amp;amp;f=00&amp;amp;tt=13&amp;amp;bt=0&amp;amp;bts=0&amp;amp;zu=http%3A//www.newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm"&gt;medieval theology&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://phobias.about.com/od/glossary/g/magicalthinking.htm"&gt;magical thinking&lt;/a&gt; and to a degree that is true but yet - as Christians who confess the Creeds, do we not believe in all things both seen and unseen? &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;I think our lips move and our hearts lie&lt;/span&gt;. If we did believe as we should, we would have no open communion and we would see people get turned away from the altar once in a while. I haven't seen anyone turned back from any synodical altar since the early 1990s.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    Another thing that really takes me back is Luther's language. Luther had a lawyers gift for rhetorical flourish. Today he would be so politically incorrect and offensive he would require his own team of ACLU attorneys to keep him out of jail just for being himself. Luther would have a hard time with today's idolatrous worship of pluralism, tolerance and diversity. Luther was a warrior for truth and let the chips fall where they may.  Since I read him in English translation, I wonder just how &lt;a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bowdlerized"&gt;bowdlerized&lt;/a&gt; the English speaking pastors who translated these sermons rendered some of what he said. As Nicolas Cage's character Ben Gates said in National Treasure, "&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.moviesoundclips.net/movies1/nationaltreasure/noidea.mp3"&gt;People don't talk that way anymore&lt;/a&gt;."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;They certainly don't and that is most certainly true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Christ,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-2616464791811491160?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/2616464791811491160/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=2616464791811491160' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/2616464791811491160'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/2616464791811491160'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2009/04/reading-luthers-sermons.html' title='Reading Luther&apos;s Sermons'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-4971536863381313695</id><published>2009-02-17T00:21:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-17T02:44:06.712-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Which Way LCMS?</title><content type='html'>Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The LCMS seems to be heading in several differing directions right now:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) Some would like it to go 'evangelical' and adopt the worship &amp;amp; theology of other non-denominational (i.e. Reformed), conversion-orientated churches. Some of this group would also welcome a more ecumenical practice of fellowship and some would be open to women's ordination (some would not) and other changes in doctrine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) Some want to go back to a more confessional direction like that had in the days of the old Synodical Conference with more emphasis given to traditional forms of worship, theology from the Book of Concord and the great theologians of Lutheranism and doing everything with a more distinctly Lutheran polity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3) Then there is a portion of the LCMS leadership and bureaucracy which wants 'peace at any price' between those 2 major factions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is painting with a broad brush, there are self-described feminists, evangelicals, pentecostals, fundamentalists, conservatives, confessionalists and a some east-coast liberals who are ELCA-wannabees in the English District.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These problems go back 70 years to the theological battles of the 1940s. Doctrinal standards were on a slow, barely perceptible decline in the LCMS under President Behnken. In the 1940s and '50s there were debates over the practice of the doctrine of fellowship within the Synodical Conference - then made up of the ELS (Evangelical Lutheran Synod), the LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod) and the WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 1955, the little ELS severed ties with the LCMS. Some WELS congregations felt the same way and broke from the WELS and formed the CLC (Church of the Lutheran Confession) and several years later the WELS followed suit. This was because the LCMS was having exploratory talks with the ALC (American Lutheran Church) which had different doctrines regarding lodges and predestination from the LCMS. For the LCMS to consider fellowship with the ALC meant to the ELS and WELS that the LCMS had a different doctrine of fellowship than that practiced by the ELS and WELS. By 1963 the Synodical Conference had disbanded. This helped give rise to the LCMS' Presidency of Oliver Harms. Little changed and the slide continued.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cooperation existed between the ALC and LCMS until 1970 when the ALC started ordaining women. Several years later under President J.A.O. Preus II, the LCMS had the battle for the Bible.  Preus (who had family in the ELS) tried to reverse many of the liberal trends taking place in the LCMS. One of them culminated in the 'Seminex' (Concordia Seminary In Exile)  fiasco where John Tietjen had been the President of the seminary at St. Louis was fired for not teaching the Bible as the inerrent Word of God. He had introduced radical forms of higher-critical scholarship into the student body. In 1973 Tietjen was brought up on charges of heresy and teaching false doctrine. The charges were verified by the members of the systematic theology department. Some students and faculty walked out and formed Seminex which became the locus for a new liberal synod, the AELC. That synod would later merge with the moderate ALC and liberal LCA to form the now ELCA in 1987.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Going back a bit, after the controversial years of Preus' leadership, the LCMS sought a peacemaker and they found one in the person of Ralph Bohlman from 1981 to 1992. The LCMS was ready for less drama and Bohlman talked like a conservative and governed like a moderate. The liberal factions that did not leave and join the AELC for whatever reason remained and quietly grew under his leadership of the Synod.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Skip ahead to late 2001 after 9/11. Kieschnick was the newly minted President of the LCMS and his Atlantic District President David Benke participated in a ecumenical, unionistic memorial ceremony remembering the 9/11 victims. This was a 'damned if you do damned if you don't' situation. While the LCMS had stumbled in decades past over the fellowship issue, it had finally seemed to have hit it's stride in the Bohlman years. It sold itself as a theologically center-right church body. Not part of the liberal mainline denominations but still aloof from church bodies it called legalistic (ELS, WELS, etc). It was conservative enough to be called 'conservative' but with still enough wiggle room to not be embarrassed by it in front of it's non-Lutheran neighbors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The nation was facing a national tragedy and that seemed more compelling than what the Bible says about Christianity being the narrow way to eternal life and Benke took part in the ceremony because he was more worried about appearances in front of the world than answering to Christ. Being a public figure, he was spotted and called out on it by Lutherans all across the country who thought it was a pagan or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;at least&lt;/span&gt; unionistic memorial ceremony. This became particularly tough on Kieschnick who was from Texas and was an acquaintance of President George W. Bush. It became a question of what seemed to be patriotism -vs- narrow sectarian doctrinal legalism in the eyes of the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Members of the ELS and WELS who would not say the pledge at ball games nor have military chaplains suddenly felt vindicated after all these years. They had remained faithful in what seemed to be a small thing. They had been ridiculed by the world for it and now they felt vindicated but more importanly their confessional kindred in the LCMS had spoken out in agreement. Without going into the minutiae of events since, I feel it is safe to say that Bohlmann's centrist 'peace at any price' patch is now shown to be worn threadbare.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This has been further exacerbated by the removal of the program &lt;a href="http://www.piratechristianradio.com/"&gt;Issues, Etc&lt;/a&gt;. from KFUO radion and the current legal actions President Kieschnick is using to try to silence (or censor if you prefer) &lt;a href="http://www.piratechristianradio.com/"&gt;Todd Wilken and Jeff Schwarz&lt;/a&gt; who have been critical of his Presidency. Even some conservative and moderate clergy feel President Kieschnick has been heavy handed and some are wont for a change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The current perceived agent of change is &lt;a href="http://harrisonforpresident.wordpress.com/"&gt;Rev. Matthew Harrison&lt;/a&gt;. He has &lt;a href="http://www.clai.org.au/articles/sasse/contents.htm"&gt;translated some important confessional writings&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=14505"&gt;wrote some thoughtful articles&lt;/a&gt; and has practicle experience in &lt;a href="http://mercyjourney.blogspot.com/"&gt;world missions, particularly with releif efforts&lt;/a&gt;. He has released a paper called &lt;a href="http://freefilehosting.net/download/443a8"&gt;"It's Time:LCMS UNITY AND MISSION -The Real Problem We Face and How to Solve It"&lt;/a&gt; which many see as a call to unity and truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Time will tell, 1st Missourians will have to get him elected and 2ndly, we need to remember that we must above all put our faith in God, not men. He seems better than Kieschnick by word and deed but he could be a kinder, gentler J.A.O. Preus or he could be a more right of center version of Bohlmann. We just don't know.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace Be With You,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-4971536863381313695?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/4971536863381313695/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=4971536863381313695' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/4971536863381313695'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/4971536863381313695'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2009/02/which-way-lcms.html' title='Which Way LCMS?'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-8480540993112883522</id><published>2009-02-10T18:18:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-10T18:48:50.062-08:00</updated><title type='text'>My Present To Me</title><content type='html'>Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not too long ago it was my 43rd Birthday. It was not a humdinger in any respects, went out with the Mrs for dinner, got a little cash from my folks (still blessed with health &amp;amp; wealth) and I boght a few 'toys' - coins &amp;amp; books. This one was the absolute humdinger - a facsimile edition of Luther's 1534 Bible - complete with watercolored woodcuts - WoWzA!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img style="width: 350px; height: 526px;" alt="http://www.taschen.com/media/images/320/default_luther_bible_exc_02_0706141537_id_45037.jpg" src="http://www.taschen.com/media/images/320/default_luther_bible_exc_02_0706141537_id_45037.jpg" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Creation&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img style="width: 352px; height: 251px;" alt="The image “http://www.taschen.com/media/images/320/default_luther_bible_exc_03_0706141537_id_45047.jpg” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors." src="http://www.taschen.com/media/images/320/default_luther_bible_exc_03_0706141537_id_45047.jpg" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Elijah Taken To Heaven On Chariot Of Fire&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img style="width: 354px; height: 257px;" alt="The image “http://www.taschen.com/media/images/320/default_luther_bible_exc_06_0706141537_id_45077.jpg” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors." src="http://www.taschen.com/media/images/320/default_luther_bible_exc_06_0706141537_id_45077.jpg" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israelites Dancing Around The Golden Calf&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img style="width: 356px; height: 259px;" alt="The image “http://www.taschen.com/media/images/320/default_luther_bible_exc_04_0706141537_id_45057.jpg” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors." src="http://www.taschen.com/media/images/320/default_luther_bible_exc_04_0706141537_id_45057.jpg" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beast of Revelation Attacking Woman With 12 Stars&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Luther-1534-FL-German-Stephan-Fuessel/dp/3822824704"&gt;I got mine off of Amazon here for $89&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/classics/reading_room/13.the_first_bestseller_in_world_history.1.htm"&gt;More about the book here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I have an electronic version of it with my E-Sword Bible software. I ran of Genesis chap 1 and added the English text of Webster's KJV beneath it like an interlinear and read it over to familiarize myself with the vocabulary then sat down and read Genesis chap 1 out of that big ole Luther Bible. I was in total Lutheran-theology-junkie-Himmel!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TTFN,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-8480540993112883522?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/8480540993112883522/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=8480540993112883522' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/8480540993112883522'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/8480540993112883522'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2009/02/my-present-to-me.html' title='My Present To Me'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-7444490053818038643</id><published>2009-01-22T14:36:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-22T16:42:16.798-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Back From My Hiatus</title><content type='html'>Greetings and Salutations,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The election is over, Christmas is over, so I'm back to blogging again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Recently on a Lutheran discussion list I am on we had a lively discussion over the Bible, coins &amp;amp; dating and what Caesar meant. When the dust settled we mutually agreed to bring it to an end and afterward one of the pastors said that we should arm wrestle to settle it, another said something about jousting. I promised to show some Reformation era coins with knights on horseback as a result.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As promised:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oE3ndarldiU/SXkQR5uY-sI/AAAAAAAAAM8/6N-8sHfHE_k/s1600-h/1557_Lithuania_HalfGrosch_Med.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 200px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oE3ndarldiU/SXkQR5uY-sI/AAAAAAAAAM8/6N-8sHfHE_k/s400/1557_Lithuania_HalfGrosch_Med.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5294280736689945282" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1557 Lithuania 1/2 Grosch&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oE3ndarldiU/SXkQR3ygIII/AAAAAAAAAM0/ubSXsuZP7N8/s1600-h/1516_Mansfeld_HalfTaler_Med.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 200px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oE3ndarldiU/SXkQR3ygIII/AAAAAAAAAM0/ubSXsuZP7N8/s400/1516_Mansfeld_HalfTaler_Med.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5294280736170320002" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1516 Mansfeld 1/2 Taler&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oE3ndarldiU/SXkQSdaQtfI/AAAAAAAAANE/Vo2S9loRgWo/s1600-h/1572_Mansfeld_Taler_Med.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 200px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oE3ndarldiU/SXkQSdaQtfI/AAAAAAAAANE/Vo2S9loRgWo/s400/1572_Mansfeld_Taler_Med.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5294280746269193714" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1572 Mansfeld Taler&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;No jousting but the Mansfeld coins have dragons below, the taler at bottom shows it being attacked with a lance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/10/coins-and-medals-of-reformation.html"&gt;More Reformation era coins in this post&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace in Christ,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-7444490053818038643?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/7444490053818038643/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=7444490053818038643' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/7444490053818038643'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/7444490053818038643'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2009/01/back-from-my-hiatus.html' title='Back From My Hiatus'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oE3ndarldiU/SXkQR5uY-sI/AAAAAAAAAM8/6N-8sHfHE_k/s72-c/1557_Lithuania_HalfGrosch_Med.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-5726871428839517924</id><published>2008-11-29T13:14:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-29T13:19:30.138-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Would You Sell Out For Thirty Pieces Of Silver?</title><content type='html'>Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I thought this was interesting both as a numismatic and as a spiritual topic I copied this post from my coin blog to this one verbatim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace in Christ,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title"&gt; &lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;div class="post-body entry-content"&gt; &lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title"&gt; &lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;div class="post-body entry-content"&gt; &lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title"&gt; &lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;div class="post-body entry-content"&gt; &lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title"&gt; &lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;div class="post-body entry-content"&gt; &lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title"&gt; &lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;div class="post-body entry-content"&gt; &lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title"&gt; &lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;div class="post-body entry-content"&gt; &lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title"&gt; &lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;div class="post-body entry-content"&gt; &lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_oE3ndarldiU/Rh-F6hLroKI/AAAAAAAAADs/ugsnRFLBh68/s320/BizLogo.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_oE3ndarldiU/Rh-F6hLroKI/AAAAAAAAADs/ugsnRFLBh68/s320/BizLogo.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Recently there has been a lively discussion going on at &lt;a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moneta-L/"&gt;Moneta-L&lt;/a&gt;, a &lt;a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/"&gt;Yahoo Group&lt;/a&gt; for ancient coin collecting. It has been over the value of the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"&gt;30 pieces of silver&lt;/span&gt; given for Jesus' life to Judas Iscariot by the 'Chief Priests' of the Jewish Temple. Here are the relevant passages:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Matthew 26:14&lt;/span&gt;  Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;15&lt;/span&gt;  And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"&gt;thirty pieces of silver&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;16&lt;/span&gt;  And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;King James Version (KJV)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Matthew 27:1&lt;/span&gt;  When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;  And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;3&lt;/span&gt;  Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"&gt;thirty pieces of silver&lt;/span&gt; to the chief priests and elders, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;  Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;  And he cast down the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"&gt;pieces of silver&lt;/span&gt; in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;6&lt;/span&gt;  And the chief priests took the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"&gt;silver pieces&lt;/span&gt;, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;7&lt;/span&gt;  And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;  Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;9&lt;/span&gt;  Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, And they took the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"&gt;thirty pieces of silver&lt;/span&gt;, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;10&lt;/span&gt;  And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;King James Version (KJV)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The post started off here, you might have to be logged in as a member (free to join) to read the posts so I will copy the better posts here minus the author's names and with a few minor spelling and grammar changes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;1st Post&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moneta-L/message/90409"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Thirty Pieces of Silver in Today's Terms&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dear List,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was at my local coin store today when the owner, who knows I'm a pastor, asked me if I knew what the infamous thirty pieces of silver from Jesus' betrayal might possibly be worth in today's currency - not in numismatic value, but in real earnings. In other words, how much would thirty shekels be in 2008 dollars.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I didn't have a good answer for him so I said I'd ask.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know this is a vague and difficult question to answer, but are there educated guesses out there?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- - - - - - - - - - - -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moneta-L/message/90416"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Re: [Moneta-L] Thirty Pieces of Silver in Today's Terms&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;I think we are all in agreement that a denarius/drachma was about a days pay for a skilled laborer, so 30 pieces of Silver is equal to about 120 days pay, but I believe this was based on a low standard of living - more like the 3rd world today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A good point for value reference is in 1st century AD (outside Rome) it would have cost about 100 Denari  (200 Denari in Rome) to buy a years supply of wheat, oil and wine (basics) for a family of 4.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are some actual rates in 1st century Rome (before Nero)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Secretary =15 Denari/month&lt;br /&gt;Lecturer =12 Denari/month&lt;br /&gt;Messenger = 9 Denari/month&lt;br /&gt;Fortune Teller = 10 Denari/month&lt;br /&gt;Legionary = 20 Denari/month&lt;br /&gt;Praetorian = 60 Denari/month&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prices in Rome&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A Modius (6.67 kg) of wheat cost 32 AS (Rome),  in the provinces about 1/2 that and 1/4 in rural areas&lt;br /&gt;Loaf of Bread = 2 AS&lt;br /&gt;Sextarius (1/2 liter of table wine) = 1 - 5 AS&lt;br /&gt;Sextarius  of fine wine  = up to 30 AS&lt;br /&gt;Public Bath = 1/4 AS&lt;br /&gt;1 cloth tunic = 15 Sestersi&lt;br /&gt;1 donkey = 500 Sestersi&lt;br /&gt;1 slave = 500 denari&lt;br /&gt;1 morgan(?) of land 250 denari&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prices as posted in Pompey&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 modium rye = 3 Sestersi&lt;br /&gt;1 litra (1/3 kg oil) = 1 Sestersi&lt;br /&gt;1 loaf of bread (+/- 1 lb)= 1 AS&lt;br /&gt;1/2 liter of table wine = 1 AS&lt;br /&gt;1 pot = 1 AS&lt;br /&gt;1 dish = 1 AS&lt;br /&gt;1 Oil Lamp = 1 AS&lt;br /&gt;1 tunic cloth = 15 Sestersi&lt;br /&gt;1 bucket = 8 AS&lt;br /&gt;Criminal Fine = 25 Sestersi&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt; I believe when talking about a denarius or drachma a day we must consider that this is a society where you could buy a slave for 500 Denarius so labor wages had to be competitive with slave labor. In Rome if it cost 200 Denarius a year just for basic food - a Denarius a day would not have been a very high standard of living.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One Roman writer (I forget who it was) says he would need 2500 denarii a year to maintain a middle class life style in Rome.&lt;span style="font-family:TITUS Cyberbit Basic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-family:georgia;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- - - - - - - - - - - -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moneta-L/message/90435"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Re:Thirty Pieces of Silver in Today's Terms &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Passover night, the Jews have a long elaborate meal combined with narrative about the exodus from Egypt. At the very end, there is a song, the refrain for which is "one kid (i.e. a small goat used for the Passover sacrifice) which my father bought for two zuzim". A zuz is ~ to a denarius (in the time of Bar Kochva, ~131-135 ce) the zuzim were overstruck on Roman denarii. It's denomination is 1/4 shekel. So a shekel would buy 2 goats with a maximum age of one year old. I never bought a goat, but a 55kg (121 pound) sheep/lamb cost me in Israel ~$250 US. I think that they are cheaper in the United States.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- - - - - - - - - - - -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moneta-L/message/90445"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Re:Thirty Pieces of Silver in Today's Terms&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Afaik the legend tells us not what became of the proceeds, but 14oz of silver would provide Thanksgiving dinner for dozens of our destitute brethren, those said to be first in the heart of the hero betrayed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Relating this tale of ancient coins to our own lives has been thought-provoking and fun.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today we count blessings that can't be equaled in silver.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- - - - - - - - - - - -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The coin in question is most likely the Shekel of Tyre, I have a very corroded one in my own collection which I recieved from a British dealer who mistook it for a tetradrachm of Elagabalus for a mere £5 GBPs ($10 USD at the time) :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/Polymath_Numismatics/Biblical%20Coins%20-%20Other/?action=view&amp;amp;current=Shekel_Tyre_Med.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 428px; height: 214px;" src="http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/Polymath_Numismatics/Biblical%20Coins%20-%20Other/Shekel_Tyre_Med.jpg" alt="Photobucket" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a &lt;a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotviewer.php?LotID=8389&amp;amp;AucID=20&amp;amp;Lot=941"&gt;better one&lt;/a&gt; from the lifetime of Christ (4/5 A.D.) :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img style="width: 428px; height: 200px;" alt="http://imagedb.coinarchives.com/img/cng/060/enlarged/600941.jpg" src="http://imagedb.coinarchives.com/img/cng/060/enlarged/600941.jpg" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is what 30 (mixed dates) would have looked like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: -moz-zoom-in;" alt="http://imagedb.coinarchives.com/img/cng/063/enlarged/630711.jpg" src="http://imagedb.coinarchives.com/img/cng/063/enlarged/630711.jpg" height="465" width="311" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotviewer.php?LotID=48571&amp;amp;AucID=52&amp;amp;Lot=711"&gt;Full Lot Description here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More profound than the coins themselves, the price seems related to the cost of living in real terms. It is folly to translate the value of something like 30 tetradrachms into 2008 dollars as if we could just crank it through a &lt;a href="http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi"&gt;currency converter&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href="http://www.monex.com/monex/controller?pageid=prices"&gt;tabulate the value of silver or gold&lt;/a&gt; then and now. But a skilled laborer, someone like today's Nurse or Tool and Die Maker, take what they make per day, times 4, times 30 and you begin to get a handle on it. I did some of my own calculations based upon when my wife was a nurse and it came out to about a 1/2 a years wages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Would you kill a close, faithful friend or sell your soul for 6 months of what you earn?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim McGarigle&lt;br /&gt;Polymath Numismatics&lt;br /&gt;ANA, ANS, ACCG&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My Ebay Store&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://stores.ebay.com/Polymath-Numismatics-and-Etcetera"&gt;http://stores.ebay.com/Polymath-Numismatics-and-Etcetera&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My Myspace Page&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.myspace.com/numismatistguy"&gt;http://www.myspace.com/numismatistguy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My eBay 'ME' Page&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/polymath_numismatics"&gt;http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/polymath_numismatics&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My Coin Blog&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://awcoingeek.blogspot.com/"&gt;http://awcoingeek.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_oE3ndarldiU/RbIhC_A7WPI/AAAAAAAAABs/jvM2odqnnoo/s1600-h/MyMembershipsLogo_sm.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5022112869630302450" style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_oE3ndarldiU/RbIhC_A7WPI/AAAAAAAAABs/jvM2odqnnoo/s320/MyMembershipsLogo_sm.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-5726871428839517924?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/5726871428839517924/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=5726871428839517924' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/5726871428839517924'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/5726871428839517924'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/11/would-you-sell-out-for-thirty-pieces-of.html' title='Would You Sell Out For Thirty Pieces Of Silver?'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp2.blogger.com/_oE3ndarldiU/Rh-F6hLroKI/AAAAAAAAADs/ugsnRFLBh68/s72-c/BizLogo.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-7395527657247095263</id><published>2008-11-27T14:31:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-27T14:44:16.245-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Happy Thanksgiving!</title><content type='html'>Enjoy a holiday favorite!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know there is nothing 'Lutheran' about it except perhaps that &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_M._Schulz#Religion"&gt;Charles M. Schulz was raised Lutheran&lt;/a&gt; - still, enjoy!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RGvDEqUBleY&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RGvDEqUBleY&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/np6Hx-ogkrA&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/np6Hx-ogkrA&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/MQmz01p8OrY&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/MQmz01p8OrY&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TTFN,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-7395527657247095263?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/7395527657247095263/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=7395527657247095263' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/7395527657247095263'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/7395527657247095263'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/11/happy-thanksgiving.html' title='Happy Thanksgiving!'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-6030344872515336578</id><published>2008-11-05T09:08:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-05T09:09:17.629-08:00</updated><title type='text'>It's Mourning In America</title><content type='html'>Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I know there is one significant upside to last nights election, it is that African-American / Black citizens of this country can now have the hope of breaking clean with the past, breaking the final bonds of slavery by having a sense of pride and enjoying a moment of vicarious accomplishment through the successful Presidential campaign of Barack Obama. I just feel it is coming at a high price.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, I am not talking about Barack Obama's tax policies or spending ambitions, I am talking about the fact we have just elected the most pro-abortion candidate for President &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;ever&lt;/span&gt; according to NARAL. We can expect the Freedom Of Choice Act (FOCA) to become law and for 1 to 3 Supreme Court Justices to be appointed by a President who does have a litmus test.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;America is in trouble, the Word of The LORD says,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Genesis 4:10  And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide my eyes from you: yes, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. 3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ezekiel 23:37 They have committed adultery. Their hands are covered with blood. They commit adultery with their idols. They have sacrificed the children they gave birth to for me as burnt offerings to idols.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Roe -Vs- Wade has been the law of the land since 1973, but there has long been a sustained effort to overturn it or at least chip away at it ever since. Is the overwhelming landslide won by the Democratic Party in 2008 a rejection of that? Has our love grown cold? Have we the Church lost our zeal and conformed to the world rather than the mercy of our Saviour?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only God knows and only time can tell.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lord have mercy on us, Christ have mercy on us, Lord have mercy on us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-6030344872515336578?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/6030344872515336578/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=6030344872515336578' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/6030344872515336578'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/6030344872515336578'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/11/its-mourning-in-america.html' title='It&apos;s Mourning In America'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-8166357497341346990</id><published>2008-10-10T20:33:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-10-10T21:07:09.710-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Coins And Medals Of The Reformation</title><content type='html'>Greetings and salutations,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tis been a long time since I posted to this blog, I thought I would post some coin pics of some coins from my Reformation Era &amp;amp; related collection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16547/AR%203%20Grossus%20Albertine%20Saxony.jpg" class="image" alt="" border="0" height="268" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="thumb_title"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;1504 Silver 3 Grossus Albertine Saxony&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Note crossed swords forming letter 'A', this is a recurrent theme&lt;br /&gt;for Albertine coinage, you will see more below.&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16547/Albert%20George%20of%20Brandenburg.jpg" class="image" alt="" border="0" height="223" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1532 Albert George AR Groschen&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kind of cool that it says, "The Just Shall Live By Faith"&lt;br /&gt;in Latin on the obverse around Albert's bust.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16547/AR%20Denar.jpg" class="image" alt="" border="0" height="338" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1539 AR Denar Hungary - Madonna &amp;amp; Child - Ferdinand I                                        &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16547/AR%202%20Pfennig.jpg" class="image" alt="" border="0" height="317" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1540 Uniface Pfennig - Salzburg&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;The coin has one of those funky Cardinal&lt;br /&gt;hats on it near the top.&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16547/AR%20Hohlpfennig.jpg" class="image" alt="" border="0" height="269" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Albertine Saxony AR Hohlpfennig - Uniface 1540&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Crossed swords 'A' again at left.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16547/Albert%20George%20of%20Brandenburg-1.jpg" class="image" alt="" border="0" height="281" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1543 Albert George Silver Groschen&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Same as the 1532 coin above only a different style portrait.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16547/August%20of%20Saxony.jpg" class="image" alt="" border="0" height="278" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1580 Thaler of August of Saxony&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;Bought it because that was the year the Book of Concord was compiled.&lt;br /&gt;Crossed swords 'A' at center.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16547/Ioannes%20George%20Taler.jpeg" class="image" alt="" border="0" height="321" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1630 Augsburg Confession Centennial Thaler - Ioannes George&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The Augsburg Confession was publicly displayed for a festival and these coins&lt;br /&gt;were minted as circulating commemoratives. Many (like this one) were made&lt;br /&gt;into medals or jewelry. This coin has an old 'mount mark' at the top of the obverse.&lt;br /&gt;Crossed swords 'A' on both sides.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1586"&gt;A few more coins here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TTFN,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-8166357497341346990?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/8166357497341346990/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=8166357497341346990' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/8166357497341346990'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/8166357497341346990'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/10/coins-and-medals-of-reformation.html' title='Coins And Medals Of The Reformation'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-2389755151629523269</id><published>2008-08-29T06:53:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-29T07:41:59.495-07:00</updated><title type='text'>We Are God's Frozen Chosen - Scientifically Confirmed!</title><content type='html'>Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: -moz-zoom-in; width: 205px; height: 205px;" alt="http://www.blingdomofgod.com/200802171947.jpg" src="http://www.blingdomofgod.com/200802171947.jpg" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 204, 255);"&gt;Lutherans&lt;/span&gt; have often been tagged as '&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 204, 255);"&gt;God's Frozen Chosen&lt;/span&gt;' because of our staid German &amp;amp; Scandinavian ways, our highly formalized liturgy and our slow, reverent hymns. A recent scientific study reported on &lt;a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,412821,00.html"&gt;Fox News' website&lt;/a&gt; confirms this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span name="intelliTxt" id="intelliTXT"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;— People of the Jewish faith and agnostics are 20 percent more sexually active than Christians. On the average, Protestants are less sexually active than Catholics. Presbyterians and Lutherans report less sex than Baptists.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span name="intelliTxt" id="intelliTXT"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span name="intelliTxt" id="intelliTXT"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and if that isn't bad enough -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial;" name="intelliTxt" id="intelliTXT"&gt;&lt;strong&gt; Is your sex life a bit busier than most? If you’re a “25-year-old, high school-educated, married, Catholic jazz fan who earns $10,000 a year and who smokes and drinks regularly,” than you are probably having more sex than a college-educated, non-smoking, non-drinking Protestant.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span name="intelliTxt" id="intelliTXT"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span name="intelliTxt" id="intelliTXT"&gt;Brings new meaning to 'cold orthodoxy' doesn't it? As a 42-year-old, college-educated, married, Lutheran who doesn't listen to jazz, makes $_ a year and rarely smokes (cigars two to four times a year) and barely drinks anymore - I plead the 5th.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;img style="width: 97px; height: 97px;" alt="http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w51/denimbluejean/Animated%20GIFs/winking_smiley_very_large.gif" src="http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w51/denimbluejean/Animated%20GIFs/winking_smiley_very_large.gif" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span name="intelliTxt" id="intelliTXT"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span name="intelliTxt" id="intelliTXT"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,412821,00.html"&gt;Full story here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TTFN,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-2389755151629523269?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/2389755151629523269/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=2389755151629523269' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/2389755151629523269'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/2389755151629523269'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/08/we-are-gods-frozen-chosen.html' title='We Are God&apos;s Frozen Chosen - Scientifically Confirmed!'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-2488567716847100313</id><published>2008-08-27T09:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-27T10:16:45.757-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Nice Observation!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://thoughtfulconservative.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/my-what-moment-for-the-day/"&gt;Thoughtful Conservative said&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;My “What?” moment for the day&lt;/h2&gt; &lt;span class="submitted"&gt;August 27, 2008 — thoughtfulconservative &lt;/span&gt;   &lt;p&gt;The &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&amp;amp;date=8/26/2008&amp;amp;id=45267"&gt;Journal Sentinel’s NewsWatch reports&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Joel and Victoria Osteen, pastors of the largest church in America, will hold &lt;b&gt;a worship event&lt;/b&gt; at the Bradley Center on Sunday, Nov. 23 at 7 p.m. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;“A Night of Hope” is &lt;b&gt;an outreach&lt;/b&gt; of Joel Osteen Ministries. Also scheduled to appear are Dove Award winner Cindy Cruse Ratcliff and the Lakewood Band and Ensemble.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;More than 45,000 members strong, Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, is the largest and most diverse congregation in America. According to Nielsen Media Research, Joel Osteen is the most watched minister in America and reaches 95% of all U.S. television households.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Tickets went on sale Saturday through www.ticketmaster.com, all&lt;br /&gt;Ticketmaster locations and the Bradley Center Box Office. &lt;b&gt;Tickets are $17 plus applicable fees.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Tickets? $17.50? Methinks Pastor Osteen should recheck his New Testament.&lt;/p&gt;------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;COMMENTARY:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Reminds me of when pop icon Bono of U2 said his God is never out of cash in response to the 1980s televangelist scandals. It also reminds me of an early Church father (Irenaeus or Ignatius?) who cautioned about false prophets who ask for money 'while in the spirit'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace in Christ,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-2488567716847100313?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/2488567716847100313/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=2488567716847100313' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/2488567716847100313'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/2488567716847100313'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/08/nice-observation.html' title='Nice Observation!'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-5268409213966293965</id><published>2008-08-23T01:20:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-23T02:17:12.873-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Revelation Commentary Reading Update</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: -moz-zoom-in; width: 251px; height: 302px;" alt="http://www.ww7.com/BeastsOfRevelation/images/7headedBeast-only-AlbrechtDurer.jpg" src="http://www.ww7.com/BeastsOfRevelation/images/7headedBeast-only-AlbrechtDurer.jpg" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;7 Headed Beast by Albrecht Durer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Greetings,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe I feel this way because I'm not a lettered clergyman, maybe I am getting dumber as I get older but I just shoveled my way through another chapter. I always end with the Lenski commentary because it is the most challenging. I used to read it and think 'scholarly' and now I am getting to think 'pedantic'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It would be sufficient for him to have said that a certain word or words is nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, aorist, participle, etc - but he has a tendency to use terminology like 'punctilliar aorist' and so on which is fine if you are a scholar of language but a bit heavy handed if you are not. I find I generally agree with his theological conclusions thus far but feel a bit like the soldier who is dragged over barbed wire by a comrade on his way to the field medic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When my purse affords it, I am hoping the new Revelation commentary recently published by the LCMS bridges the gap between the People's Bible commentary with it's entry level simplicity and Lenski's with its overdetailed treatment. Lenski (IMHO) does great when he waxes more devotional and theological but gets mired in the details when he handles the Greek.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TTFN,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-5268409213966293965?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/5268409213966293965/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=5268409213966293965' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/5268409213966293965'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/5268409213966293965'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/08/revelation-commentary-reading-update.html' title='Revelation Commentary Reading Update'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-483063368400577412</id><published>2008-07-12T21:53:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-31T11:32:43.690-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Reading Through Revelation - The Lutheran Way - Part 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_oE3ndarldiU/SJHyHRhHtAI/AAAAAAAAAH8/51NPByUSplk/s1600-h/7headedAnd2hornedBeasts-AlbrechtDurer.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_oE3ndarldiU/SJHyHRhHtAI/AAAAAAAAAH8/51NPByUSplk/s320/7headedAnd2hornedBeasts-AlbrechtDurer.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5229226849129182210" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify; font-family: georgia;"&gt;Greetings and salutations,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Over the last few months I have been methodically (and admittedly sporadically) reading through Revelation (also called the Apocalypse of Saint John the Divine) and unlocking it verse by verse or passage by passage depending upon the commentator.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have employed several Bibles:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: justify; font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cph.org/cphstore/product.asp?category=79997&amp;amp;part%5Fno=011781&amp;amp;find%5Fcategory=79997&amp;amp;find%5Fdescription=Concordia+Self%2DStudy+Bible&amp;amp;find%5Fpart%5Fdesc="&gt;Concordia Self Study NIV&lt;/a&gt; (Of Course!)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/"&gt;The Lamsa Bible&lt;/a&gt; (an English translation of the Aramaic Peshitta)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/?action=getVersionInfo&amp;amp;vid=9"&gt;The King James Version&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://bibledatabase.com/exec/online/webster/"&gt;The Webster Bible&lt;/a&gt; (A very respectful re-edit of the KJV that sheds archaic English words)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Interlinear-Greek-English-New-Testament-Synonyms/dp/0801007003/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1217525923&amp;amp;sr=1-6"&gt;A KJV/Greek Interlinear&lt;/a&gt; (w/Strongs NT Dictionary in the back)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.archaeologicalstudybible.com/"&gt;The Archaeological Study Bible NIV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify; font-family: georgia;"&gt;I &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;highly recommend&lt;/span&gt; the &lt;a href="http://www.archaeologicalstudybible.com/"&gt;Archaeological Study Bible&lt;/a&gt;, it is the most non-denominational study Bible on the market as far as new Bibles go. Most study Bibles today are from some Reformed point of view - be it &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism"&gt;Arminian&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism"&gt;Calvinist&lt;/a&gt;. This Bible is not, it sticks to the facts of archaeology but without caving in to so-called '&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_criticism"&gt;higher critical&lt;/a&gt;' thinking. Matter of fact, it does not pick any doctrinally controversial bones. Not on Baptism, the Creation, Communion, the Millennium or any pet topics of either conservative or liberal preachers. It sticks to the historical context as we know it through the archaeology of the Holy Land. Very refreshing indeed!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The commentaries have been these:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: justify; font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nph.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?10418&amp;amp;productID=150670"&gt;Revelation: The People's Bible Commentary by Rev. Wayne D. Mueller&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cph.org/cphstore/product.asp?category=&amp;amp;part%5Fno=122630&amp;amp;find%5Fcategory=&amp;amp;find%5Fdescription=&amp;amp;find%5Fpart%5Fdesc=revelation"&gt;The Revelation To John: A Commentary by Martin H. Franzmann&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Testatment-Christian-Commentary-Scripture/dp/0830814973/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1217520908&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Revelation: New Testament Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture edited by William C. Weinrich&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/interpretation-St-Johns-Revelation/dp/B0007ERNG8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1217521835&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;The interpretation of St. John's Revelation  by R. C. H. Lenski&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-last-Bible-Luther-Poellot/dp/B0007EWDC2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1217522175&amp;amp;sr=1-7"&gt;Revelation: The last book in the Bible by Luther Poellot&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;I have finished &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: georgia;" href="http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?2617&amp;amp;collectionID=704&amp;amp;contentID=593&amp;amp;shortcutID=2020"&gt;Mueller's&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt; and Poellot's commentaries and found &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: georgia;" href="http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?2617&amp;amp;collectionID=704&amp;amp;contentID=593&amp;amp;shortcutID=2020"&gt;Mueller's&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt; easy to follow but not very deep. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: georgia;" href="http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?2617&amp;amp;collectionID=704&amp;amp;contentID=593&amp;amp;shortcutID=2020"&gt;Mueller&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt; occasionally starts to rhapsodize and get off track - as if he got a little excited and began to write a sermon and then got back to the task of writing a commentary - but that is OK. It would be a good introduction for a layperson who feels overpowered by quotes in Latin, Greek or German, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: georgia;" href="http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?2617&amp;amp;collectionID=704&amp;amp;contentID=593&amp;amp;shortcutID=2020"&gt;Mueller&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt; keeps his work down to earth. Poellot's was in depth but was a bit dry to read. Revelation is supposed to be at turns fRiGhTeNiNg and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-family: georgia;"&gt;comforting&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt; and when Poellot did show any excitement in the text it was a rare surprise.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;I am currently reading Franzmann, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: georgia;" href="http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/3910"&gt;Lenski&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt; and the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: georgia;" href="http://www.ivpress.com/accs/"&gt;ACCS (Ancient Christian Commentary Series)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt; edition which is edited by William Weinrich, a conservative Lutheran Patristics scholar. Franzmann is hard to put down. Franzmann as a hymn writer and a recognized poet writes well and while he does refer to Latin and German occasionally, he does not bog you down with it. He clearly grasps the excitement of the text while explaining the doctrinal content.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: georgia;" href="http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/3910"&gt;Lenski&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt; covers all bases, he gets into technical aspects of the Greek grammar and how that brings you to certain doctrinal conclusions (rather than reading Revelation through the newspaper as millenialists do!) and he also captures the historical, devotional and prophetic / apocalyptic aspects of the text. So far I like Weinrich's the best of the ones I am currently reading. He quotes and summarizes both Eastern and Western Church Fathers and commentators from the 2nd through 6th centuries.All of it is translated into English so anyone willing to take the time to read it can do so. This is a good text for a Pastor, professor or even a curious layman. It is all very straight up and non-technical and there are historical diagrams and biographical sketches of all the people quoted throughout the work.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;The ACCS volume would also be enjoyed by any serious Roman Catholic or Anglican / Episcopalian - this is not a strictly Lutheran commentary at all, it was just edited by one who is a patristics scholar.  The person who would not enjoy it is someone who is looking to justify a liberal or higher critical theory of interpretation or is interested in a book like this because of the fictional writings of Dan Brown, Henry Lincoln, et al. No proof for secret societies or conspiracy theories here. What you will find is a well rounded representation of the various schools of thought held by the early Church about the book of Revelation. You will also see the growth of Tradition. I have ran across quotes about the ever-virginity of Mary and how there is no salvation outside the Church, etc. The book also contains an indirect history of heresy and some fathers and commentators often read Revelation through the lens of whatever heresy the Church was facing at that moment in time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;Thats all for now.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;Peace,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;Jim&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-483063368400577412?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/483063368400577412/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=483063368400577412' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/483063368400577412'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/483063368400577412'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/07/reading-through-revelation-lutheran-way.html' title='Reading Through Revelation - The Lutheran Way - Part 1'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp3.blogger.com/_oE3ndarldiU/SJHyHRhHtAI/AAAAAAAAAH8/51NPByUSplk/s72-c/7headedAnd2hornedBeasts-AlbrechtDurer.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-5799725150928000325</id><published>2008-06-19T13:26:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-19T17:06:15.814-07:00</updated><title type='text'>WELS Going Pietist?</title><content type='html'>Greetings and salutations,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pushing the envelope of &lt;a href="http://www.bookofconcord.org/fc-sd/adiaphora.html"&gt;adiaphora&lt;/a&gt; - I have a hard time imagining the 'old German corner' of the Wisconsin Synod likes this much. I know it would probably be 'too pietist' for my own LC-MS congregation that insists on 'contemporary worship' (= smile and shake hands), but as Dick Clark would say, "It has a beat you can dance to".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/D_JAiP75Iog&amp;amp;hl=en"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/D_JAiP75Iog&amp;amp;hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is more shocking than the style is the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;substance&lt;/span&gt; of the song. On it's face there is nothing objectionable but what few may realize is that the song was a &lt;a href="http://www.actionext.com/names_r/russ_taff_lyrics/we_will_stand.html"&gt;plea for ecumenism&lt;/a&gt; by a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism"&gt;pentecostal&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.ccmmagazine.com/"&gt;CCM&lt;/a&gt; artist which is certainly out of step from the WELS I knew when I was a WELS member and any &lt;a href="http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?1712&amp;amp;cxDatabase_databaseID=1&amp;amp;id=6689&amp;amp;magazine=Forward%20in%20Christ"&gt;unionism&lt;/a&gt; great or small was strictly verboten.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Later,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-5799725150928000325?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/5799725150928000325/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=5799725150928000325' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/5799725150928000325'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/5799725150928000325'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/06/wels-going-pietist.html' title='WELS Going Pietist?'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-733998975241555748.post-7435034143189087421</id><published>2008-06-10T01:35:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-19T17:07:50.795-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='http://www.blogger.com/img/gl.align.left.gif'/><title type='text'>NIV - Satanic Bible (Another KJV Controversy!)</title><content type='html'>OK, here's one I did not see coming. I was doing some searching online, doing research about differences in Bible translations and I came across a website by some folks in the "KJV-only" movement and they asserted the NIV was a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Satanic translation&lt;/span&gt;. OK, ok, I've heard this sort of stuff before but they further asserted that the NIV (New International Version) and the Satanic Bible were published by the same company. Now this I HAD TO SEE! Yeah, right!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/Polymath_Numismatics/blog/?action=view&amp;amp;current=HC_Zondervan.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img src="http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/Polymath_Numismatics/blog/HC_Zondervan.jpg" alt="Photobucket" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So Zondervan's parent company is Harper-Collins...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/Polymath_Numismatics/blog/?action=view&amp;amp;current=HC_Satan.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img src="http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/Polymath_Numismatics/blog/HC_Satan.jpg" alt="Photobucket" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Harper-Collins prints the Satanic Bible, they even say, "We'd love you to buy this book" !!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/Polymath_Numismatics/blog/?action=view&amp;amp;current=Zond_NIV_Bible.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img src="http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/Polymath_Numismatics/blog/Zond_NIV_Bible.jpg" alt="Photobucket" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Zondervan (Owned by Harper-Collins) also &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIV"&gt;owns the copyright to the NIV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;I'll allow you to draw your own conclusions but I bet that has to make some of the folks who work for &lt;a href="http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Company/ContactUs.htm?QueryStringSite=Zondervan"&gt;Zondervan&lt;/a&gt; really, really happy! (NOT!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/733998975241555748-7435034143189087421?l=thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/feeds/7435034143189087421/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=733998975241555748&amp;postID=7435034143189087421' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/7435034143189087421'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/733998975241555748/posts/default/7435034143189087421'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thatlutheranguy.blogspot.com/2008/06/ok-heres-one-i-did-not-see-coming.html' title='NIV - Satanic Bible (Another KJV Controversy!)'/><author><name>Jim</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464727522452795486</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06393757152384006759'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry></feed>